Navajo Tribal Elder EXPOSES What Stalks the Four Corners Desert

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There’s a stretch of land where four states touch in a single point – Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado.
A flat marker on red earth and silence in every direction.

Most folks who pass through there stop, take a photograph, place a hand on the cold metal, and drive away within 10 minutes.
They don’t know why they leave so fast.
They tell themselves the heat, the dust, the strange way the wind seems to come from no direction at all.

But the people who live near that point – the ones whose families have walked that desert for a thousand years before any state line was drawn – they know.

There is something out there.
Something that has been there longer than the names we put on maps.

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Before I tell you what an old man named Hashké Naaba told me one evening in 1947, in a town that no longer exists – I want you to do something for me.

Look down in the description of this video.
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It’s a collection of accounts I’ve put together over the years – stories that were erased from official American records between 1843 and 1891 – things that were buried on purpose.

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Now – let me tell you what was hunted in the Four Corners – and what hunted back.

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The man who told me this story was 81 years old when I met him.
He was sitting outside a small wooden trading post about 20 miles south of Shiprock, New Mexico – on a chair he had built himself out of cottonwood.

He had a face that looked like the land around him – lined, sun-darkened, patient.

His name was Hashké Naaba – which in Navajo means something like *”Angry Warrior.”*
Though by the time I met him, the anger had long since gone out of him – and only the watchfulness was left.

He was a tribal elder.
He had been a *hand trembler* – what some people would call a diagnostician in the traditional Navajo sense.
His job for most of his life had been to find what was wrong with a person, an animal, a piece of land – and to know whether it could be healed – or whether it could not.

I had come to him with questions about something else entirely.
A series of disappearances near the San Juan River in the late 1930s.
Sheep ranchers.
Two government surveyors.
A geologist from Denver named Marvin Calloway – 44 years old – who had walked off into the desert one morning in 1936 – and never came back.

His truck was found 3 days later – parked neatly by a wash – the keys still in the ignition.
His canteen was full.
His rifle was clean.
His boots were beside the driver’s seat.

But Marvin Calloway himself was gone.

—

I had read everything I could find on the case.
There wasn’t much.
A column in the *Albuquerque Journal*.
A short federal report that admitted – in dry bureaucratic language – that no cause of disappearance had been determined.

And then a note – almost a footnote – that the local Navajo population had refused to assist in the search.

That was what brought me to Hashké Naaba.

I asked him – through a younger man who translated for us – why his people had refused to help look for the geologist.

He didn’t answer right away.
He looked out across the desert at the rust-red mesas in the distance – at the long shadows the late sun was throwing across the sand.
A wind moved through the sagebrush.
Somewhere far off, a horse made a single sound and then went quiet again.

Then he said – in English – slowly – as if the language was something he was carefully choosing word by word:

*”We did not refuse to help.”*

He paused.

*”We refused to call it back.”*

—

I asked him what he meant – and he told me.

He said that the land between the four points – the land we call the Four Corners – was not empty.
Had never been empty.

Long before the surveyors came with their chains and their theodolites and decided where one state ended and another began – the Diné – the Navajo people – had walked that ground.
And they had walked it *carefully*.

Because there were places in that desert that a man went *around* – not through.
*Around*.

There were places where a wise person did not stop to make a fire.
There were canyons where a wise person did not speak above a whisper.

And there was one thing in particular – he said – that walked that country at certain times of the year.
A thing his grandfather had warned him about when he was still a young man.
A thing his grandfather’s grandfather had warned of in turn.

He would not give it a name.

I asked him why.
He said that some names – when spoken aloud in the wrong place – are *heard*.

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You ever feel like that?
Like something somewhere can hear you when you say a certain word out loud?

I want you to tell me – right now – before I keep going.
Drop a comment and tell me where you’re listening from.
And tell me if you’ve ever had that feeling – that feeling that some words are *listening back*.

I read every comment – and I want to know.

Because before I tell you the rest of what Hashké Naaba told me – you need to understand:
He did not tell this story easily.
He told it the way a man tells the truth about something he wishes he had never seen.

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He said that in the year we would call 1865 – when the Long Walk ended – and his people were forced from their land down to a place called Bosque Redondo – something changed in the desert behind them.

Whatever had walked that ground before – whatever had been kept in balance by the rituals and the songs of the Diné – was now *unattended*.

For 4 years – no one sang the proper songs.
For 4 years – no one walked the proper paths.
For 4 years – the desert held its breath.

And when the Diné came home in 1868 by treaty – walking back across that long red country to the land between the four mountains – they came home to a desert that had grown *hungry* while they were away.

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Hashké Naaba said that his grandfather – a man named Atsidi Sani in the records – had been a young boy on the walk back.
And he remembered the first thing the elders did when they came in sight of the sacred mountains was *stop*.

They stopped – all of them – hundreds of people – and they *sang*.
They sang for a long time.
They sang the way you sing to a relative who has been sick while you were gone – telling them you are home now – telling them the world is right again.

But it was not right.
Some things had taken root in those 4 years.
Some things had learned that the country was empty – and they had liked it empty – and they were not pleased to find it occupied again.

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He said that the Anglo settlers and the soldiers and the surveyors who came after – in the years that followed – did not understand any of this.
They thought the desert was just desert.
They thought the silence was just silence.
They thought a tall, thin shape on a far ridge at sundown was just a tree – or a fence post – or a trick of the dying light.

But the Diné knew.
And the Diné kept their distance from certain places – and they did certain things at certain hours – and they did not speak certain names aloud – and they survived.

The white men did not always survive.

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*”In the 1870s and the 1880s,”* he said – *”there were a number of disappearances out in that country that never made it into any newspaper. Cattlemen. Drifters. A railroad scout from St. Louis named Curtis Velmar – who walked off from his camp one night in 1878 – and was never seen by another living person.”*

His horse was found two weeks later – calm, well, grazing peacefully with the saddle still on.
His rifle was found leaning against a juniper tree – not dropped, not flung – but *leaning* the way a man might lean it before sitting down to rest.

There was no sign of struggle.
There was no sign of him.

The Navajo who lived near where Curtis Velmar had been camping refused to enter that area for the rest of that summer.
When the white sheriff from Farmington came to ask why – an old man told him only this:

*”The man you’re looking for sat down at a fire that was not a fire.”*

The sheriff did not understand.
He went home.
The case was closed.

—

Hashké Naaba said that this was a thing his people understood that the white men did not.
That in that desert – at certain hours – there could be a fire that was not a fire.
There could be a voice that was not a voice.
There could be a shape in the long red sundown that wore the form of a man – or wore the form of a thing that wanted you to think it was a man.

And if you walked toward it – you did not walk back.

He said the elders had a word for this thing.
He would not tell me the word.
He would only say that it had walked that country a very long time.
That it was older than the Diné.
And the Diné were old.

That it had been there before the Pueblo people.
And the Pueblo people had been there for a thousand years before the first European set foot on the continent.

He said it had been in that desert when the desert was still green.
When there were rivers where now there are only dry beds.
When mammoths moved across the plain and men hunted them with spears tipped in obsidian.

It had been there.
And it was still there.
And it was *hungry*.

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Now – let me tell you about Marvin Calloway.
The geologist.
The one whose truck was found by the wash with the keys still in it.

Marvin Calloway had been hired in the spring of 1936 by a mining concern out of Denver.
They wanted him to survey the southwestern quadrant of the San Juan Basin for uranium deposits.

This was years before uranium became the prize it would become during the war.
But the company had heard rumors.
They had seen reports out of the Belgian Congo.
They thought there might be money in the rocks of the Four Corners – and they wanted a man who could tell them where to dig.

Marvin Calloway was that man.

He was 44 years old.
He had been working in mineral geology for 22 years.
He had surveyed in the Yukon, in northern Mexico, in the high canyons of Peru.

He had a wife back in Denver named Velma – and two grown stepchildren from her first marriage.
He was not a romantic man.
He was not a fanciful man.
He kept careful field notebooks in a small precise hand – and he did not believe in anything he could not measure with a rule.

When he disappeared – the company sent a recovery team out to find him.

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The team consisted of three men:
**Howard Pemberton** – a 48-year-old assayer.
**Lester Cromwell** – a 36-year-old camp foreman.
And a guide – a Diné man named *Tó Bi Yazhi* – which means *”Little Water”* – who was hired in the town of Aneth.

Tó Bi Yazhi led them as far as the wash where the truck had been found.
Then he stopped.
He pointed up the wash into the canyon where Marvin Calloway had walked – and he said in English:

*”I will wait here.”*

Howard Pemberton tried to argue with him – tried to offer him more money – tried to threaten him.
Tó Bi Yazhi did not move.

He said: *”There is no amount of money that would make me walk up that canyon.”*

The three white men went up the canyon alone.

—

They were gone for 2 days.

When they came back – Howard Pemberton was *missing*.
Lester Cromwell could not speak.
He had a cut on his hand that he could not explain – and a piece of fabric clutched in his fist that did not belong to any of the men in the recovery party.

It was a strip of canvas – the kind you might cut from a tent.
It was old.
The dye had faded.
There were marks on it that Lester Cromwell would later say – after he could speak again – looked like writing in a language he did not recognize.

The third man in the original recovery team – the foreman – was helped down out of the canyon by Tó Bi Yazhi.
He was put in the back of the truck – wrapped in a blanket – given water.
He did not speak for 3 days.

When he finally did speak – he said only one thing:

*”Howard sat down.”*

He would not explain.

—

For the rest of his life – Lester Cromwell would refuse to talk about what had happened in that canyon.
He died in 1958 of natural causes in a small house in Pueblo, Colorado.

His widow – going through his papers – found a sealed envelope marked simply: *”Not to be opened.”*

She opened it anyway.

Inside was a single sheet of paper in his handwriting – dated 1941.

It said:

*”There was a fire that was not a fire. Howard walked toward it. I called him back. He did not turn his head. He sat down at the fire – and he was not Howard anymore. I ran. May God forgive me. I ran.”*

That was all.

His widow burned the paper.
She did not tell anyone what it had said until 1973 – when she was dying.
And she told her sister – and her sister wrote it down – and that is how I came to know it.

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Now – I tell you this part because Hashké Naaba – when I described to him what had happened to Howard Pemberton – did not seem surprised.

He nodded slowly.
He looked off into the desert.
He was quiet for a long time.

Then he said: *”Yes. That is how it happens.”*

He said that this thing that walked the Four Corners did not always take a person by force.
Sometimes it *called* them.
It made itself look like a thing they wanted to walk toward – a fire on a cold night – a voice that sounded familiar – a figure on a far ridge that for just a moment looked like a man they knew.

And the person – especially the person from outside – the person who did not know to look away – would walk toward it.

And once they sat down – he said – they did not get up.

Or rather – something got up – but it was not them.

—

I asked him very carefully whether this thing was what some other native peoples called a *skinwalker*.

He looked at me very sharply.
He said: *”We do not say that word.”*

He said: *”The thing in the desert is not that. The thing in the desert is older than that. The skinwalker is a man who has chosen to become something. The thing in the desert was never a man at all.”*

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Have you ever felt watched out in the open with no one around for miles?
That sense at the back of your neck that prickles and won’t go away – no matter what you do?

Tell me in the comments.
Tell me where you were and what you felt.
I want to hear it.

Sometimes our oldest instincts are right about something we don’t have words for yet.

—

Hashké Naaba told me that in the autumn of 1937 – a year after Marvin Calloway disappeared – his own grandson – a young man of 23 named *Bidzil* – which means *”He Is Strong”* – went out to bring in some sheep that had wandered too far from the family hogan.

It was late in the day.
The sun was already low.

Bidzil had been told all his life not to be out alone in the desert at sundown – especially not in that quarter of country west of the Lukachukai Range – where there was an old wash that the family had always avoided.

But the sheep had wandered – and Bidzil was young – and he was not afraid.

He went after them.

He did not come home that night.

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When morning came – his grandfather Hashké Naaba and three other men of the family rode out to find him.

They followed his tracks.
They found his horse – calm and well – tied to a juniper tree.
They found the sheep – all 11 of them – gathered in a small huddle near a rock formation – alive – unharmed.

And they found – about 100 yards beyond the sheep – the prints where Bidzil had stopped walking.

Just stopped – in the middle of the desert – with nothing in front of him.
The prints faced west – toward the setting sun.

Beyond the prints – in the soft red sand – there were no more tracks of any kind.
Not Bidzil’s.
Not anyone’s.
Not anything’s.

—

The men stood there a long time.

Then Hashké Naaba did something that he had never done before in his life.
He took out a small leather pouch that had been given to him by his own grandfather – who had been given it by his grandfather – going back five generations.

Inside the pouch was a substance.
He would not tell me what it was.
He said only that it was made by a particular family of medicine people in the Lukachukai Mountains – and that the recipe was very old – and that it was meant for one specific purpose.

It was meant to be scattered in a place where something had taken a person.
It was meant to mark that place – to keep the thing that had taken them from coming back to the same spot – to make the ground there inhospitable.

He took out a small amount of the substance – and he scattered it on the ground where Bidzil’s footprints stopped.

And then he and the other men gathered up the sheep – and they led the horse – and they rode home in silence.

—

Bidzil was never found.
Not a body.
Not a bone.
Not a scrap of his clothing.

The family held a ceremony for him after a year.
They did not speak his name aloud after that.

The Diné have a practice of not speaking the names of the dead – especially of those who have died badly or strangely – because the name itself can become a kind of doorway.

Hashké Naaba did not speak Bidzil’s name in front of me.
He only called him *”my grandson.”*

He told me that was the worst day of his life.
The day he had to ride home without his grandson.

But he told me that he had felt all that day – walking through that piece of country – that the thing that had taken Bidzil was still there – still nearby – *watching* them.

He said you could feel it the way you feel another person standing behind you in a dark room.
He said the air was wrong.
He said that even the sun – low on the horizon – looked like it was *hesitating* – like it did not want to set in that place because of what would walk in the dark afterward.

—

I asked him then the question I had wanted to ask all evening.
I asked him what the thing was – what it actually was – what its nature was.

He thought for a long time.
He looked at the western sky where the last light was bleeding out behind the mesas.
He looked at his hands.
They were old hands – strong hands – hands that had buried a wife and brothers and a grandson he could not bury because there was nothing to bury.

He said this:

He said that the Diné have a story that long before there were people in this world – there were other beings – beings of fire, beings of water, beings of wind.
They lived in the worlds that came before this one.

There were four worlds – he said – before our world – and in each of those worlds the beings did terrible things to each other – and the world had to be destroyed and remade.

Some of the beings – he said – did not pass cleanly from one world to the next.
Some of them got caught *in between*.

And some of those beings – he said – found the cracks – the places where one world had not closed properly behind another.
And they came *through*.

He said the Four Corners was one of those places.
He said the desert there was *thin*.

And the thing that walked there was something that had not been able to come all the way through.
It was *here* – but it was also still partly *somewhere else*.

That was why it could appear and disappear.
That was why it could look like a man one moment and like nothing at all the next.
That was why it could call you with a voice – and the voice could sound like your father – or your wife – or your child – or a friend you had not seen in 20 years.

Because it was using something it had taken from someone else.

It *collected* – he said.
It had been collecting for a long time.

That was why he would not name it.
Because if you name a collector in its own country – on its own ground – sometimes it remembers you – and it adds you to the list of things it intends eventually to come for.

—

I sat with him a while longer after he told me that.
We did not say much.

The sun finished its setting.
The sky turned the color of dried blood – and then the color of bruises – and then dark.

The translator had long since gone home.
There was just an old man and me and the night coming on across an empty country.

After a long time – Hashké Naaba said very quietly in English:

*”You should leave before it is full dark.”*

He was not joking.

I left.

—

I drove that night all the way back to Gallup – and I did not stop – and I did not let myself look in the rearview mirror for any longer than I had to.

Twice on that drive – on a long flat stretch of road where there was nothing for miles in any direction – I thought I saw a thin, tall shape standing on a low rise off to the side of the highway.

The first time – I told myself it was a saguaro – even though saguaros do not really grow that far north.

The second time – I did not let myself look at all.

I kept my eyes on the road.
I kept driving.
I did not slow down.
I did not stop until I saw the lights of the town.

When I finally pulled into the gas station in Gallup – my hands were shaking on the wheel.

The man who came out to fill my tank looked at me – looked at the direction I had come from – and said:

*”You’ve been out toward Shiprock?”*

I said: *”Yes.”*

He said: *”Late to be coming back from there.”*

I told him I had been visiting an old man.

He nodded slowly.
He did not ask who.
He just looked at the dark road behind me for a long moment – and then he looked back at me – and he said:

*”Some folks shouldn’t drive that road after sundown.”*

He did not explain what he meant.
He filled my tank.
I paid him.
I drove on.

—

I went back to see Hashké Naaba one more time – the following spring in 1948.

I had questions I wanted to ask him.
I had learned in the months between of three more disappearances in that country:
A rancher named Curtis Holloway.
A pair of hunters from Wyoming whose names I never got.
And a woman – a botanist from the University of Arizona named Dr. Viola Vance – who had gone out to study desert flora and had not come back.

I wanted to ask the old man whether these were connected to what he had told me – whether the thing was active again – whether something was changing.

But when I drove out to the trading post south of Shiprock – the trading post was closed.

The young man who had translated for us was not there.
I asked at a nearby home in halting Spanish and English where I might find Hashké Naaba.

The woman who answered the door looked at me a long moment.
She said in English:

*”He has gone to be with his ancestors.”*

I asked when.
She said: *”In the winter – in the cold months.”*

I asked how.

She did not answer me at first.
Then she said:

*”He went out to walk one evening toward the west. He had told his family he wanted to walk a little before supper. He was 82 years old. He had walked that path many times – but that evening he did not come back.”*

I asked if they had searched for him.

She nodded.
She said the men of his family had gone out at first light.
They had followed his footprints.

They had found – she said – where he had walked across the soft ground to a particular place a half mile from the house – a place where the land sloped down into a small wash.

And there – she said – his footprints had stopped.

Just stopped – in the open desert – with nothing in front of him.

—

I felt the cold come up the back of my neck.

I asked her if she knew what had happened – and she said something to me that I have thought about every day for the rest of my life.

She said:

*”He had been waiting. He had been waiting for a long time. He had told us the year before that he had a debt – that when his grandson was taken – he had thrown a thing on the ground – a substance from his pouch – to keep the thing away. But – he said – that the thing remembered. He said that throwing the substance was not the end of it. He said that one day the thing would come for him.”*

She paused.

She said: *”He went to meet it – so that it would not come to the house.”*

She closed the door.

—

I stood on her porch for a long time.
The wind came up out of the west – the way it does in that country in the late afternoon – smelling of dust and creosote and something else.

Something that I could not name then – and that I do not name now.
The kind of smell that is not a smell.
The kind of presence that is not a presence.

I drove back to Gallup that day.
I did not stop.
I never went back to that piece of country again.

—

In the years that followed – I tried to learn more.
I tried to collect the stories.

I spoke with other Diné elders in other parts of the reservation – and most of them would not speak with me at all about this subject.
Two of them spoke obliquely.

They said the thing in the Four Corners was real.
They said it had been there a very long time.
They said that it was particular about who it took – and that the modern world – the world of paved roads and electric lights and radio waves – had not driven it away the way some people thought it would.
It had only made it more careful – more patient.
It had learned to hide better.
It had learned to wait.

One old woman in the town of Tuba City – in the autumn of 1953 – told me that the thing did not come for everyone.
She said that most people who walked through that country – especially the tourists, the photographers, the families pulling off the highway to buy a postcard at the marker – were of no interest to it at all.

She said that it was looking for a particular thing – a particular kind of person.
She said it did not always take.
She said sometimes it only watched – and let you go – and you would never know how close you had come.

I asked her what kind of person it was looking for.

She said something I have written down and kept in a notebook ever since.

She said: *”The kind that hears.”*

I asked her what that meant.

She said: *”Most people walk through the world half asleep. They do not hear what is talking to them. The thing in the desert does not bother with them. It is a hunter. It does not waste its time. But there are some people – the ones who have always heard things – who have always felt things – who have always known when a room was wrong – when a road was wrong – when a person across a table was not what they seemed. Those are the ones it watches. Those are the ones it calls. Because those are the ones that – when they sit down at the fire – will give it the most.”*

She would not say more.

—

I have thought about her words for many years.
I have wondered sometimes whether I am one of those people – whether I felt on that road outside Gallup that first night that prickling at the back of my neck – that sense of a thin tall shape standing just off the highway – because it had noticed me – because it had in some way marked me.

I do not know.
I have not gone back.
I will not go back.

But sometimes late at night – when I am alone and the house is still and the wind is moving through the trees outside in a way that does not seem to be coming from any one direction –

I think about Hashké Naaba walking out into the dusk to meet the thing he had owed for 50 years.
I think about Howard Pemberton sitting down at a fire that was not a fire.
I think about Marvin Calloway leaving his boots beside the driver’s seat of a truck in 1936 – walking up a wash in the late afternoon – never coming back.
I think about Bidzil – 23 years old – going out one evening to bring in his grandfather’s sheep – and his footprints stopping in the open sand.

I think about the woman in Tuba City and her words: *the kind that hears.*

And I listen in the silence of my house at night – and I wonder whether something somewhere is *listening back*.

—

There is a stretch of land where four states touch in a single point.
Most folks who pass through it stop, take a photograph, and drive away within 10 minutes.

They tell themselves they are leaving because of the heat – or the dust – or the long emptiness of the road ahead.

But maybe they leave for a reason their bodies know – and their minds will not say.

Maybe that prickling at the back of the neck – that sudden urge to be back inside the car – that strange, shapeless dread when the wind comes up –

Maybe those things are old – older than language – older than the names we put on the land.

Maybe their bodies know something is out there – and maybe their bodies are *right*.

—

If you have ever been to the Four Corners – I want you to tell me.
Drop a comment.
Tell me what you felt – what you saw – what stayed with you when you drove away.

And if you have a story of your own – from any piece of country in this big, strange land – where something happened to you that you have never been able to explain – share it.
We might tell it next.

Stay with us for the next one.
There are more nights like this one ahead.

Until then – be careful which fires you sit down at.
And if you hear a voice in the desert that sounds like someone you love – do not turn your head.